October 11, 2008
The Credit (or Subprime Lending) Crisis and Us
Posted by mortonmalaise under Uncategorized[7] Comments
Comment from IDKNM on previous post:
on 10 Oct 2008 at 12:36 pm # edit thisidonotknowme
And all the people who took out no principal, 100% mortgages on properties they never even walked into because they were going to “flip that houseâ€. All the people who can’t pay their mortgages should be foreclosed upon and all the banks who get stuck with a bunch of properties because they made stupid loans should go out of business. Let people suffer the consequences of their choices.
If it were only that simple. Brokers sold to banks, banks sold to regional holding companies, and the smaller holding companies sold to the big boys, AIG et al. Using faulty formulas based on old data, these mortgages were sliced up and reconsolidated into CDO’s, which were rated at AAA, which is as good as cash. As Wall Street got more and more greedy, banks were encouraged to give more and more loans with fewer restrictions to keep the flow of money going. Eventually, they started giving No Income, No Asset (NINA) loans, which meant you could take out as large of a loan as you wanted, as long as you SAID you COULD make a certain amount of money. No W2’s or bank statements required. As it became easier and easier to get a home, prices went up and up as demand increased. Eventually, people started defaulting on the loans because, oops, they couldn’t afford them. All of a sudden, the supply of homes went up, demand decreased, and home values actually started depreciating, something that has never happened on a scale so large in the US. The “good as cash” CDO’s now started to lose value, which the brain trusts (for reasons beyond me) never accounted for when they started buying up all these mortgages. If the companies had borrowed 2:1 like the rest of us can do, this wouldn’t have been so bad. Unfortunately, they were leveraged at 20:1, 30:1, even 50:1. High leverage is great when you’re winning, because if you’re leveraged 30:1 and the value of your investment goes up 1%, you make 30% on your money. If it DROPS 2%, you’re pretty much closing up shop and selling the office furniture to the highest bidder. This is what happened to AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bear Stearns, etc. If these companies are allowed to collapse, it could be catastrophic to the global supply of money and possibly create a worldwide depression, which we’ll be lucky to avoid anyway.
Now, do I agree with the bailout? It’s not such an easy question to answer. I don’t believe in the government bailing out businesses that make bad decisions. I don’t believe in the federal government getting involved in a lot of things, but they do anyway. Now that I have read a bit about what’s happening with the lending market, and the astronomical amounts of money that will basically disappear if something isn’t done, it’s really hard for me to say that nothing should be done. I am an idealist, but I am not a myopian.
October 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Who knew you were so smart. You forgot to mention the multitude of small businesses that are more than a bit nervous about the banking crisis which could hurt their business through no fault of their own. I for one do not want to suffer the consequences of *other’s* choices. (that’s usually where I lose people who say ‘let the fat cats suffer!’)
October 11th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
In-freaking-deed.
Was watching Nightline a week or two ago and they were talking with folks caught up in the ’sub-prime’ loan thing.
Some of these folks were trying to sell their houses, but they just could not get the $1.99 million they paid for them. GO FIGURE. All of these “poor” people. The reason their loans are ’sub-prime’ is because they bought houses way, Way, WAY out of their league.
I am sure my wife and I, had we gotten a sub-prime loan, could have afforded and $600,000 house. Instead we bought a $130,000 house (and were almost sick with “how-can-we-afford-this-itis”). We aren’t in great shape, but the mortgage and all the bills get paid.
October 11th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Let us also not forgot the thousands of homeowners who are absolutely at ZERO percent fault in their own situations. Homeowners who bought a house, could completely afford it, and then watched as their jobs went to China (L.R. Nelson anyone?) or Mexico (Maytag anyone?), or those who had to take pay cuts to keep their jobs (ask several of us who were mid-management at AAA Entertainment in Peoria a few years back, for example), or those who might have seen their budget go out of whack because their home heating and gas-for-travel costs skyrocketed while their wages didn’t change.
Blanket statements like the one idiotnotknowme made are dangerous, inconsiderate, and just plain wrong.
Oh, and the last guy who posted: the reasons for you to be a Democrat and vote that way are infinitely more than the justifications I’ve seen to vote Republican. Can’t you see it? To use my word of the weekend, amazing.
October 12th, 2008 at 2:56 am
BJ, I think highly of you,and I really hope you’re too smart to associate what you’re looking at with what’s going on.
October 12th, 2008 at 8:28 am
I don’t follow. Which part of my post are you referring to (or is it all of it)? Sorry, it’s Sunday morning and I try not to think until I start my lawn mower on Sundays.
October 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am
BJ,
I’m really not sure. To be frank, I don’t even remember logging onto my blog at 2:56 this morning. I had been at a wedding reception with an open bar, and then I went to an afterparty at the father of the bride’s house. By 2:56 AM, I was almost certainly ash to my eyebrows obliterated drunk.
October 13th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I didn’t say nothing should be done, but I absolutely think it is critical that people suffer. If no one feels any pain for taking out too large a mortgage or issuing high risk loans or buying contrived financial instruments without understanding what’s in them, what lessons will be learned? What’s to discourage them from doing it again? Do the things that will stabilize the situation for the benefit of those who weren’t reckless, stupid or deceitful, but do NOT protect those who were!